And so it’s great fun for Republicans to say, yes, the democrat con, you know, whoa, that doesn’t sound good. And then I hear this other voice, which is this optimism about maybe we could become wise maybe we could become the people wise enough to have synthetic biology and nuclear weapons, and instant communication and data warfare and all these things and survive and thrive. And then you just had another one that’s slipping my brain population, oh, that we would start to see fertility below replacement rates, so that you would actually go into population decline as a means of taking pressure off of the system. But then I see that we have a system where in general, the as soon as a tribe figured out, as soon as a couple tribes were competing for resources, it was generally easier to move than it was to war, until we had moved everywhere, in which case it was it started making sense to war and then as soon as any tribe militarized, as every other tribe has to militarize, or they lose by default, and the game of power has begun in in earnest in that way, the human non human game and I think we I’ve seen that the peaceful cultures largely got killed by the warring cultures and the warring cultures learn from each other, how to be more successful at it. He is a civilization designer interested in social architecture. Not impossible, but harder. Daniel Schmachtenberger 51:58so plausible deniability. Let’s take let’s take Nick Bostrom, paperclip Maximizer as an analogy, so I know you know this but for the people who don’t when looking at concerning AI risk scenarios, one of them is this, you know, kind of funny idea of a paperclip, Maximizer paperclip is representative any widget so make an AI that basically can do two things, it can optimize the production of something here a paperclip, and so it can use its intelligence to do that. How can interested people get involved? And so I want you to think certain things where you thinking those things, I think will advantage me.

It’s very unnatural. Eric Weinstein 1:38:30this is when I say that the system’s inanimate I need give this example. By their car, their yacht, their house this than the other. I found myself compelled by a very simple idea from PostScript, I cannot easily escape. And no. Eric Weinstein 36:06Okay, well, this is the first place that I start to hear an argument that has a hope of dealing with the congenital institutional optimism.

Eric Weinstein 1:36:23I understand obviously stupidly wrong, when your ability to demonstrate your power is to go out in the public square and say the dumbest, most ridiculous, most obviously incorrect thing you can think of. So the main thing when I say exponential tech is just we’re getting an exponential increase in how powerful the choices we make can be. But I think what you’re really saying to me, again, always correct me if I’m wrong, is that we could potentially change what winning feels like. So first of all, there’s an enormous, I’m going to keep going back to square zero if I if I don’t get this, right. We delay reproductive maturity for 12 or 18 times around the Sun seems crazy. And, you know, deeply considered about actual cause and effect dynamics, factor complexity and work with other people. And to not say things that would not be to the advantage of the advertisers that can afford to pay for them.

That’s a very bad recipe. Maybe it’s keeping this number going critical. I think a lot of this comes down to magical thinking because of the non use of nuclear weapons against humans since 1945. As long as that’s the case, we have an incentive to do fucked up stuff with increasing power. And so I, I think we know that reductionist metrics on status are also gamified and inappropriate. But We all know library type examples or shopping carts where if I have enough shopping carts at the grocery store for peak demand time, I don’t have to bring my own shopping cart, which would be a pain in the ass and would require 10,000 shopping carts per grocery store rather than 300.

Obviously birth rate is higher where there’s poverty and we might lose some kids, right? Daniel Schmachtenberger 2:43:28But let’s but let’s go through this. And to really be able to build something new took real capacities, what you’d call the contact with the unforgiving, right, like real empirical capacities, and just. Riot police with lethal technology in their first in the first wave of things that you send against an unruly crowd. That would already be a significant change, not maybe as significant as a warp drive, but it would be a fundamentally different type of civilization. And so, and this is what we think of as corruption, right, where they can start maximizing their own bonus structure or do a back end deal or whatever. But I think Daniel has many interesting perspectives. People who are planning to go out with a with a bang, if you will, are not very successful. So is it 50 years or 100 years? We really don’t want a world with AI weapons, too much less good world with AI weapons. This, Eric Weinstein 47:48is the thing that terrifies me, which is that I would much rather have two very skilled hyper lethal powers in some kind of weird community game theoretic communication with each other, then lots of less skilled players with much less power but significant ability to do damage, Daniel Schmachtenberger 48:10right? So the the social cost and. The concern, let me just be open about it is that there are so few people who are thinking we’re attempting to think rigorously, about what we actually are, and what we must become, if we are to have a long term future that I’m not, I believe that you are somebody who is trained not to flinch when it comes to a description of how we got to this place from the arms race that is read of tooth and claw called called nature. Can we make a situation in which we can raise children quite differently? I don’t even know what to call it. Okay, let me be be. 64:58 is this you know kind of funny idea of a 65:01 paperclip Maximizer paperclip is 65:02 representative of any widget so make an 65:04 AI that basically can do two things it And if I don’t kill it, the whales still won’t be alive because somebody else is going to kill it anyways. The Jeantreprenuer’s Animated Portal Clips (with host Eric Weinstein), Ep. And then we go as soon as soon as the Industrial Revolution and our ability to extract resources at fast than their reproduction amounts from the biosphere.

So we say, well, let’s imagine and we I think we can say, up to a tribal scale. That seems to me to be also a recipe for disaster and that the architects of these plans seemingly died.

So in a system where when something is more scarce, it is worth more than if I’m on the supply side of that I have an incentive to manufacture artificial scarcity and to definitely prevent abundance that would debase the value of the thing that I have in a world where we remove the Association of value and scarcity.

As such, they may have mattered most in determining the shape of our current response as they are all deaths that come from failing to implement copious previous work in identifying our vulnerabilities meant to shape our disaster preparedness.

So we get this exponential up ratcheting of the game to power itself. This one’s a long time coming. on engaging in a kind of narrative warfare, right? Eric Weinstein 1:09:23Well, just I guess what I find very bizarre about all this is that I live in multiple social worlds and intellectual worlds. And then also So looking at cultural outliers, because I don’t think any of this is inexorable, is it? Buckle up.

If I say it’s awesome. And but I think, and I think that we actually even reified the theory of markets with evolutionary biology to say that demand is like a niche, and that the various versions of a product or service are like mutations, and the company that survives because it’s able to supply the demand. #CarpeDonktum #money #investing #WWG1WGA #guns #WSJ #ccot #TopVideos #economy #Trump… https://t.co/mnSto54s4N, Riots ERUPT Over COVID Lockdowns, Trump Supporters Are OVER IT But Biden Would Lock Down EVERYTHING #TimCast… https://t.co/meEeDdoocG, Joe’s Had A Busy Day Calling Trump Supporters “Chumps” & Explaining His “Voter Froud Operation”… https://t.co/DQ3zjcNlwK, Reply of what’s best for the corporation as a whole.

Eric Weinstein 1:56:21minder group to track the number of interactions we have? I think there’s another thing, which is there’s a communication protocol that anyone who has information about something within that setting can inform a choice where that information would be relevant that the tribe would be making because they can actually communicate with everybody fairly easily. Who would do better. And so long as it’s adequately hidden, they can get away with it. different religions have tried to do this, but it’s an example of a group succeeding at it where they were able to have a sense of positive coupling of my well being and the well being of another rather than inverse coupling, they get ahead and it’s decreasing my ability to get ahead. Eric Weinstein 1:39:49I’m saying I really don’t. I’m not but we can do our best. If we think about mutations, survival selection, and then breeding selection, and so you don’t get a situation where one speed CS gets 1000 x advantage in a single, quick jump independent of all the other ones, right? Think about it, the public would be asked for broad participation in something like flatten the curve and why to cover for the lack of the same ICU beds, masks PP, and ventilators that were called for in numerous academic papers over the last 20 years studying just such viral pandemic scenarios. And it is a pleasure to introduce them to our portal community. And as we start having exponential information tech so we can intentionally misinformed specific audiences in ways that are much more believable to them. I mean, if we don’t get our amygdalas really engaged with where we are this magical thinking which by the way, I suffer from this magical thing.

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